In this episode, Allen joined Shahin to talk about what truly Agile is in today’s world of Software Development.


We conversed about and around the following topics:

  • Agile or Not
    • Agile is nothing more than Better Software Better
    • What is Real Agile Thinking? Reasons to Avoid Agile
    • Fake Agile, Dark Agile (Foe Agile)
    • Trust is the heart of agile
    • SAFE v.s. Scrum; Kanban Board Assumes Linear Process
  • Agile in The Time of Corona
    • Scrum’s Response to Corona
    • Remote Working Went Bad – More Silos
    • The Complexity Of Working From Home
    • Work Is A Human Activity
  • Challenges of Successful Agile Transformation in Large Organization (And Typically Failures)
    • Experiments Failure in Big Organizations; PMO and Agile Failure Pattern
    • ING Transformation Story (New Zealand) + Home Depot
    • Dunbar Number
  • Agile Architecture
    • Architecture Process Code Culture Connected for True Agile
    • Mob Moves Forward Even If Individual Has To Drop Out And Come Back In
  • Social Software Development & Mentorship

People & Resources:

We referred to and/or mentioned the following people and/or resources:



About Allen:

Allen Holub (, @allenholub, is an internationally recognized software architect and Agile-transformation consultant. He speaks internationally about these topics and agile-friendly implementation technology (like microservices) and architecture. He provides in-depth consulting and training in those areas. He excels at building highly functional Lean/Agile organizations and designing and building robust, highly scalable software suitable for agile environments. He’s worn every hat from CTO to grunt programmer and is an expert-level programmer in many languages and platforms.

Allen is widely published. His works include 10 books, hundreds of articles in publications ranging from Dr. Dobb’s Journal to IBM DeveloperWorks), and video classes for (Agility with Allen), Pluralsight (Swift in Depth, Picturing Architecture, Object-Oriented Design), O’Reilly (Design Patterns in the Real World) and forthcoming on Lynda/LinkedIn.